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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very interesting what you say about the constant back and forth. Sometimes the Sith are in control, but then they have too much control, so the Jedi come back. It&#039;s interesting. 

I think when you create something that is so &quot;good vs. evil,&quot; it&#039;s impossible not to have the futile battle between two great factions. I love the read. However, to this day, my favorite Star Wars novels are the Bane ones by Karpyshyn and there&#039;s a reason for that. We get to see so much more of a Sith Lord. I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very interesting what you say about the constant back and forth. Sometimes the Sith are in control, but then they have too much control, so the Jedi come back. It&#8217;s interesting. </p>
<p>I think when you create something that is so &#8220;good vs. evil,&#8221; it&#8217;s impossible not to have the futile battle between two great factions. I love the read. However, to this day, my favorite Star Wars novels are the Bane ones by Karpyshyn and there&#8217;s a reason for that. We get to see so much more of a Sith Lord. I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Many Named</title>
		<link>http://www.toruniverse.com/2010/06/09/humanizing-the-sith/comment-page-1/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>The Many Named</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I was very pleased to read your post, even though I have been rather late in finding it.  It touches on issues that I have always bothered me.

I have always thought that the Star Wars franchise (particularly the movies) has constantly portrayed both Sith and Jedi in their extremes.  Yet, the movies were all about balance- when the Jedi reached an unsustainable degree of extremism in their actions and philosophy, the balance shifted towards the Sith.  The same thing happened when the Sith became too excessive.  That there has never been any middle ground has confounded me.  After all, each faction is made up of individual beings capable of interpreting their Order&#039;s dogma in different ways but mostly this has been whitewashed (or is that darkwashed?) over and ignored.  Some novels and comics try to breach the dark/light divide but so far none have done so that radically alters how people perceive the Jedi and Sith.

The idea of Sith and Jedi being given more latitude to explore what their philosophies mean through players is very appealing.  It will make people actively *think* about the philosophies of both Orders and how they apply to everyday life.  Well, as much as an MMO can ;).

Still I confess I would love to see a more significant canon exploration of right, wrong, dark, light and all the grey in between.  In so many ways the Star Wars universe is locked into a futile battle between two great factions that will never end.  While that might be fun for the fans to read about for a while it also ends in stagnation.  I would love to read about how the Galaxy might deal with this schism in different ways.  That&#039;s probably why I&#039;m so interested in what player RP will develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I was very pleased to read your post, even though I have been rather late in finding it.  It touches on issues that I have always bothered me.</p>
<p>I have always thought that the Star Wars franchise (particularly the movies) has constantly portrayed both Sith and Jedi in their extremes.  Yet, the movies were all about balance- when the Jedi reached an unsustainable degree of extremism in their actions and philosophy, the balance shifted towards the Sith.  The same thing happened when the Sith became too excessive.  That there has never been any middle ground has confounded me.  After all, each faction is made up of individual beings capable of interpreting their Order&#8217;s dogma in different ways but mostly this has been whitewashed (or is that darkwashed?) over and ignored.  Some novels and comics try to breach the dark/light divide but so far none have done so that radically alters how people perceive the Jedi and Sith.</p>
<p>The idea of Sith and Jedi being given more latitude to explore what their philosophies mean through players is very appealing.  It will make people actively *think* about the philosophies of both Orders and how they apply to everyday life.  Well, as much as an MMO can <img src='http://www.toruniverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Still I confess I would love to see a more significant canon exploration of right, wrong, dark, light and all the grey in between.  In so many ways the Star Wars universe is locked into a futile battle between two great factions that will never end.  While that might be fun for the fans to read about for a while it also ends in stagnation.  I would love to read about how the Galaxy might deal with this schism in different ways.  That&#8217;s probably why I&#8217;m so interested in what player RP will develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Revan Storyline Will Be Revealed in TOR, Erickson Says &#124; TOR Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revan Storyline Will Be Revealed in TOR, Erickson Says &#124; TOR Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next thing that I love is the discussion about morality. I wrote an article a while back about the Sith being humanized. The reason I love the discussion about morality is because of what Erickson said. You can be a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] next thing that I love is the discussion about morality. I wrote an article a while back about the Sith being humanized. The reason I love the discussion about morality is because of what Erickson said. You can be a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.toruniverse.com/2010/06/09/humanizing-the-sith/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BW like you said is opening up the game for some moral complexity. They have said you can do good in a bad place, and visa-versa. So you can be Evil, Neutral, or a complete &quot;Carebear&quot; on both the Sith and Republic sides. 

Now the Sith ideology is evil (by definition), while its followers may be &quot;Evil&quot;, &quot;Neutral&quot; or &quot;Good&quot;. To say the Sith ideology is not evil is delusional, but to say all Sith are not &quot;evil&quot; ok, ya! I can agree with that. Just like I would agree not all Republic followers would be &quot;good&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BW like you said is opening up the game for some moral complexity. They have said you can do good in a bad place, and visa-versa. So you can be Evil, Neutral, or a complete &#8220;Carebear&#8221; on both the Sith and Republic sides. </p>
<p>Now the Sith ideology is evil (by definition), while its followers may be &#8220;Evil&#8221;, &#8220;Neutral&#8221; or &#8220;Good&#8221;. To say the Sith ideology is not evil is delusional, but to say all Sith are not &#8220;evil&#8221; ok, ya! I can agree with that. Just like I would agree not all Republic followers would be &#8220;good&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lucien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bane was an idealist.  Like many individuals, to the extent he prioritized those ideals over his basic “humanity”, he was capable of engaging in acts of great self-sacrifice and great cruelty in the name of those ideals.  I believe that meets the latter of your two options.  To determine if it meets the first, someone needs define evil in more a more functionally oriented manner.

As an aside, Machivelli was discussing the ethics of a ruler/nation/government which for practical purposes have a different standard than person to person ethics.  Ethics predominantly serve the purpose of survival and social standing among one’s peers.  The impact and evolution is driven by the “social economics” within a “market place” of values. 

A nation’s peers (in varying spheres of operation) are other sovereign entities (a sovereign being an entity the nation would normally bargain with as opposed to dictate to). The relation between citizens and a government is predominantly one between a regulator and the regulated.  In representative governments, government approved procedural feedback impacts and compliments this relationship in a manner similar to the way consumer participation in the market place impacts the products and services provided by businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bane was an idealist.  Like many individuals, to the extent he prioritized those ideals over his basic “humanity”, he was capable of engaging in acts of great self-sacrifice and great cruelty in the name of those ideals.  I believe that meets the latter of your two options.  To determine if it meets the first, someone needs define evil in more a more functionally oriented manner.</p>
<p>As an aside, Machivelli was discussing the ethics of a ruler/nation/government which for practical purposes have a different standard than person to person ethics.  Ethics predominantly serve the purpose of survival and social standing among one’s peers.  The impact and evolution is driven by the “social economics” within a “market place” of values. </p>
<p>A nation’s peers (in varying spheres of operation) are other sovereign entities (a sovereign being an entity the nation would normally bargain with as opposed to dictate to). The relation between citizens and a government is predominantly one between a regulator and the regulated.  In representative governments, government approved procedural feedback impacts and compliments this relationship in a manner similar to the way consumer participation in the market place impacts the products and services provided by businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.toruniverse.com/2010/06/09/humanizing-the-sith/comment-page-1/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which begs the question: was Machiavelli right when he said that the ends justify the means? It is okay, for example, to kill one innocent baby to save an entire planet from a certain disease. Some people say they couldn&#039;t do it. Others say they could. Does that make a Sith evil if he is willing to do it or does it make him a strong person with an understanding of the &quot;greater purpose.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which begs the question: was Machiavelli right when he said that the ends justify the means? It is okay, for example, to kill one innocent baby to save an entire planet from a certain disease. Some people say they couldn&#8217;t do it. Others say they could. Does that make a Sith evil if he is willing to do it or does it make him a strong person with an understanding of the &#8220;greater purpose.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Seires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sith aren&#039;t all evil, I am not for example. Darth Bane IMO was a smart Sith for example. He did some stuff people would constitute as Evil, but he did it more as a means to an end and it went with his philosophy. That was my take anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sith aren&#8217;t all evil, I am not for example. Darth Bane IMO was a smart Sith for example. He did some stuff people would constitute as Evil, but he did it more as a means to an end and it went with his philosophy. That was my take anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love history and cultural studies, especially when it involves the far eastern cultures.  It always impressed me with how much or those cultures Lucas managed to incorporate into his movies and by in large how unusually insightful his work was along those lines.  Unfortunately in his later movies it seems like some of what he was trying to convey was too inaccessible.  It&#039;s too bad because often what was lost were some of the most remarkable and important elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love history and cultural studies, especially when it involves the far eastern cultures.  It always impressed me with how much or those cultures Lucas managed to incorporate into his movies and by in large how unusually insightful his work was along those lines.  Unfortunately in his later movies it seems like some of what he was trying to convey was too inaccessible.  It&#8217;s too bad because often what was lost were some of the most remarkable and important elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an incredible analysis and comparison between the Sith and the Qin Dynasty. You are right a culture can get a bad name for itself simply because of the way people describe it. You have struck a chord so close to my heart because I am a history major who has an interest in the ancient world. So, this is definitely of interest to me. 

When reading about Palpatine&#039;s Empire and the Yuuzhan Vong, I realized that he knew all along that they were coming. My creating this massive Empire with this huge military, he was preparing for war against them. So, in essence, we think the Empire is this horrible thing...Yet, when you look at it, he was trying to defeat a very powerful enemy. Thanks so much for your comment, Lucien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an incredible analysis and comparison between the Sith and the Qin Dynasty. You are right a culture can get a bad name for itself simply because of the way people describe it. You have struck a chord so close to my heart because I am a history major who has an interest in the ancient world. So, this is definitely of interest to me. </p>
<p>When reading about Palpatine&#8217;s Empire and the Yuuzhan Vong, I realized that he knew all along that they were coming. My creating this massive Empire with this huge military, he was preparing for war against them. So, in essence, we think the Empire is this horrible thing&#8230;Yet, when you look at it, he was trying to defeat a very powerful enemy. Thanks so much for your comment, Lucien.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I appreciate you coming to check the site out. This is the type of content that we like to produce at TOR Universe. I think it&#039;s important to try and draw parallels between characters of the universe because it makes you realize how alike some are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I appreciate you coming to check the site out. This is the type of content that we like to produce at TOR Universe. I think it&#8217;s important to try and draw parallels between characters of the universe because it makes you realize how alike some are.</p>
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